Chicago Dispatchers

Wednesday, September 13, 2006

Uniformed police officers dispatching.

Oh, our e-mail link finally started working.

This is a letter from someone whose name we'll keep under wraps unless he/she wants it put up here.

I think the time has come for us to address the subject of uniformed police officers still hiding at the 911 center. It is obvious that the police department needs each and every sworn body it can dig up to work the districts and take care of the unending requests for police service. The powers that be, downtown, tell us we must "dispatch faster" and I say"to who??" The officers that still work the floor are not subject to the same rules and regs that the rest of us are, the do not have to work mandatory overtime, they are paid much better and receive a ton of benefits including unlimited sick time, shift differential and better uniform allowance. They do not, in most cases, handle the zones like the civilian dispatchers
and some are not even made to work the zones. Some take all summer off "sick", when they work they only work as calltakers, and one can't even stand to wear a uniform anymore. No discipline is ever handed down to them and the
disparity of how they are treated and how we are treated is deplorable. I say this topic should be address on the blog and see if anyone else has a opinion on this matter. There is a place for officers that cannot work the street and it is called ARP. Light duty, ill, injured and cowardly police officers have no place on the operations floor. There is one officer who has been taken off every busy zone in the room and has a list of dispatchers that will not work with her because they don't want to be there when someone gets killed. GET RID OF THEM!!


We'll add our thoughts later.

42 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

That doesn't mean that the majority of them should be as ridiculously unqualified or lazy as they are. Or that they should continue to enjoy all the benefits of the police contract and none of the bullshit that we have to put up with. Mandatory overtime or even discipline.

13 September, 2006 20:27  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The original post is right on! To
3:51 PM ..... open your eyes! Their extended medicals already cause us hours & hours of overtime! If they all left tomorrow, it would be like losing 4 or 5 dispatchers........not 20!

13 September, 2006 20:31  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Especially since several of them BRAG about taking medical furloughs year after year that are always in the summer...

13 September, 2006 21:52  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

WHO AM I WORKING WITH!?
It's the coppers on the floor who trained a good chunk of us, on duty or retired duty, it's those "lazy" ones that you can ask a question about procedure or cpd orders to better understand what is going on in the field. The stuff oec never tells you about or trains you on. It's thier stories of glory days in the field and mistakes they made or learned, that help you relate to your units, or can pass on to a ppo in the field if need be. There isn't a police officer in that room I wouldn't work with. I learn from them everyday.
Heres' to the whiners on that letter writing campaign. If the shit ever hits the fan in that building, terrorist attack or someone just going postal, those men and women are armed police officers and will kick into police mode so fast it will make your head spin, they're not going to be the ones running out the door like the pussy poster from 9/11's
post, { rubber burning on the concrete from fleeing) Those men and women are going to be the one's who unconsiously will begin to protect you with thier lives.
If the officers in the field have a problem ,, they can settle it with their own people.
If any of our coppers do read this, I apologize for our whiney, jealous, poor me I'm picked on, co workers. Jealous you have medical days, how f(*&king ridiculous!
Oh yea , I'm sure throwing 30 more coppers on the street will get you out of that back log and take a HUGE bite out of crime.

13 September, 2006 23:54  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

They have a contract! They fought hard at arbitration, they being the affected officers. All of which was their time spent testifying and not paid during it! Add the numerous months also testifying again on their own dime. The arbitrator concluded there was a proven legal basis of a contract violation, thus they won the award of (Dispatcher.) Sorry they didn't just go into park mode, letting the city violate them and just toss them to the side. Bet odds you came long, long after them!

Where do you get this stuff, from the liberal media or gossip connect? Your way off, there is no such thing as unlimited Medical for CPD, and no need to explain their contractual rights on this blog. This too was also an award from an arbitrator to which they also earned the hard way, just like the above. Medical usage involves a lot of back and forth with mass documentation, that's between them the Dr. and the med. sec. a lot of compliance. If their valid and have the med. time their off, plain and simple.

Have balls and fight for a contract if you even can, just like they had to. Not everyone in a union enjoys all the exact same protections. ARP is NOT the only unit for limited duty their throughout the whole police dept. City likes to plays ARP up like it is. Which is a blanketed lie and it's all B.S. It's actually a lock down unit with less contractual rights but hey this is a Fraternal Order that seems to be selling it's officers out.

Police have no union it's a Fraternal order, pass the beer brother big difference!

Nice, cowardly huh? Try this on for size. If you have a problem with a PO how about having the balls and documenting it and seeing it through. That is, if there's actually a real concern and not just plain Green Eyed Monster moaning. Here's a plan, why don't you just join the blue then you too can have what they do. xoxoxoxoxo

P.S. I would love to meet the one with no uniform that sounds like a blast. Come on get killed, I would be dialing 1-800-attorney, money, money, love to meet that one too.

14 September, 2006 03:27  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't understand, why is it that an ill or injured officer cannot work inside taking or dispatching calls, isn't this exactly what they do at ARP, so whats the difference? Don't they handle calls for records, personnel, legal affairs, detective division, medical sec. and all over headquarters. I'm still a bit confused are you talking full duty or limited or both? Above is just a smidgen of limited duty placements I have been made aware of. Were not talkin thousands either so don't get anxious on me. I also hear, they have been protecting OEMC for years. Yeah, I know like dispatchers some are better and more dedicated then others but that's everywhere.

1154 I bet their thanking you, also an added word to the blog questioner. A PO friend said to tell ya before he passes out like a drunken dispatcher.. There is no differential... He also said old school dispatchers would understand he cracked up laughing and passed right out, shoes an all!

14 September, 2006 04:13  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Don't forget brothers and sisters in blue that many of the civilian dispatchers and call takers were in the "old room" with you and remember the attitudes and outright meanness that you showed to them when they first came out. Remember the "I am not a babysitter" buttons you wore on your headsets? Some sworn dispatchers were helpful and kind realizing that we all had to start somewhere and learn as we went, but what we learned the quickest is that many of the sworn dispatchers looked at us as a threat - that they would lose their chushy inside warm job and maybe have to go back on the street and do the job they originally signed up for. The few officers that are left are not all dogs or nasty and some even cling to the idea that medical use is for WHEN YOU ARE SICK - not for a summer furlough. We are not on the police payroll anymore and the officers that are left should find another place to hide - maybe headquarters or desk duty at some dist, there is always ERPS. Please leave! Quit walking around with your gun on your belt as if you are the real police. As for protecting us in an emergency, that's rich, you would dive under the consoles and hide just as you dove under your cars on the street when thing got hot. Find somewhere else to work till retirement where the bad guys won't find you and make room for dedicated, professional civilians who take this job seriously.

14 September, 2006 09:24  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

professional civilian? WHERE!?!?
SHOW ME ONE !! NAME INTIALS !
THE WHO BUILDING IS A CESS POOL OF UNPROFESSIONALISM

14 September, 2006 12:11  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

correction THE WHOLE

14 September, 2006 12:12  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To 1154 pm' , I quote: "There isn't a police officer in that room I wouldn't work with. I learn from them everyday." and
".....those men and women are armed police officers and will kick into police mode so fast it will make your head spin, they're not going to be the ones running out the door ....."

ARE YOU FOR REAL? You obviously have never been partnered with the few from citywides that are totallly dumbfounded & inept when assigned to work any zone! And for being 'armed'......by the time they take their ammo off the belt & load it into their weapon, we would all be DEAD! LMAO

14 September, 2006 15:50  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ARE YOU FOR REAL? You obviously have never been partnered with the few from citywides that are totallly dumbfounded & inept when assigned to work any zone! And for being 'armed'......by the time they take their ammo off the belt & load it into their weapon, we would all be DEAD! LMAO

3:50 PM


Ammo already in the gun rest is to throw around. Sounds like your being played. Don't you just hate when that happens. Lighten up you can't change a thing. Think about basic daily operations mismanagement is everywhere. I can't figure out how the city is still operational other than the drive to show up for a check. Hey, I just figured it out the money.

15 September, 2006 00:42  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

waaa!!!!!!!

What a bunch of crybabies.

15 September, 2006 03:18  
Blogger Westcide Dog said...

And these are the folks who I have to depend on to watch my back? What a bunch of envious little bitches! If you don't like what you're doing LEAVE!

17 September, 2006 22:53  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

......by the time they take their ammo off the belt & load it into their weapon, we would all be DEAD! LMAO

3:50 PM

YOUR A WHACKED NIMROD! LOL BACK AT YA LMAO........Say it to their face if their so weak! LOL.

18 September, 2006 01:46  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well all I can say is there has been alot of talk at 35th street lately about replacing the civians with sworn personell at OEC in the future.

Now you are all going to say that BS but dont bet the farm on it. You the civilians are the first ones to say it's not working. Why do you think that is, because you are not the POLICE. You have no idea what is going on in the field and could care less. Just get the jobs out dont worry about the officers saftey.

OEC should and will be manned and supervised by sworn POLICE OFFICERS.

Do all of us POLICE OFFICERS that you hate so much a big favor. When the shit hits the fan and the OEC is under attack dont fuken call us, call 311.

19 September, 2006 21:13  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We could give a rat's ass what people at 35th street are saying about replacing civilians with swore again. IT AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN. 35th street isn't in charge of the OEMC. Huberman still is and if he wanted the civilians out it would have been done already. Furthermore, why are you defending, the few cowardly, candyass police officers that still work there. They aren't one of you. Don't want to be one of you. Sloppy, uniforms don't fit (one has managed to finagle some Dr's note so she doesn't even have to wear one anymore)Gun's not loaded or not even worn and a few have attitudes nastier than the rudest civilian dispatcher on their worst day. The police officers that I know...want to be police officers, on the street. Not working behind a desk or a radio console.

20 September, 2006 03:36  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's good to know the person who wrote the opening letter to the blogmaster loves animosity, controversy, gossip, and rumours.
Congrats to the letter writer
for insulting our friends and family and co workers.
Too bad you're such a coward you haven't the guts to post your name.
Are you scared your coworkers might tell a few tales about you? Kudos to you for making fun of someone who can't physically wear a belt due to illness. Maybe God will be kind to you and let you live your life without surgery or illness that disables you to the point of not being able to put your uniform on.
I feel nothing but pity for you and your pathetic life. Your actions disgust me.

20 September, 2006 05:06  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm not the same writer of the original letter, but I do know who they are talking about not wearing the uniform. Do you know you are defending someone who conviently is ill only in the summer months? Happens every year around the end of May and lasts through about the end of September. You don't find that suspect?

20 September, 2006 12:13  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am not defending any one person in general, I was addressing the ASSHOLE who shows nothing but contempt for the police.

I my opinion he should not be working for any City Dept and Especialy not at the OEC.

Yes and Huberman is in charge at least for now. Huberman was the Police and is still being paid on the Police payroll. Like I said don't bet the farm.

20 September, 2006 19:11  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

1213
Yes I know the person and have talked at great lengths with the individual. I wish the person well and good health.

20 September, 2006 23:05  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thank you 7 11
I've been saying that for years.

Regarding the bitter, hateful person apparently I work with,
all I can say is good thing there is only a handful of such trash talkers. Majority of us are pretty kind folks.

20 September, 2006 23:13  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

9:13, did you pull that out of your ass with dinner?

There were perhaps 200 POs in the OEMC when it opened. Most bailed out as soon as they realized they'd have to type and chew gum at the same time. Oh, and they couldn't bring tickets home at the end of the shift. Oh, and no drinking or smoking at the consoles.

Oh yeah, and the supervisors weren't sworn and responsible to the worthless chain of command anymore.

But if YOU or anyone wants a piece of zone 6, come on up and grab it. Statistically, it will kill you faster than glazed donuts. Much faster. Moron.

And if you don't believe me, look around and see what happened to your dispatchers from 20 years ago. They are all dead. D.E.A.D.

So whose gonna stand on zone 6. You officer whineberg?

21 September, 2006 00:07  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Clarity time, if an officer is out of uniform or is not required to wear a gun belt due to an illness. The officer would have to be cleared through the Police Medical Section and the ADA liaison within 35th St. personnel and or associated section period! Which means this officer is then protected under ADA rights. There is no other way for it to be Legally or procedurally done. To do so otherwise, would not only be a clear violation but also would tie the city up in a huge legal hog tied wrangle knot and a potential class action lawsuit. Which would make the city scream and cry in utter pain for years to come.

Poster are you claiming with valid knowledge the officer just gave a Doctors note out of the blue to a supervisor and the supervisor at work made it go bang and then allowed the officer to have their way, no more uniform, no more gun?

Officers go through a lot of paperwork to become ADA compliant and a Doctors note to a supervisor in ones unit with the supervisors blessing is not acceptable per the CPD/City for protection. Why would anyone want to trash an officer who has been cleared through the only procedure acceptable by the dept for ADA protection?

Are you with valid knowledge, that the afore proper procedures were by passed and your angry? Or, are you just angry that the officer is disabled and still able to be the police, thus their pay, like work and your war cry of disparity?

Now, why on earth would you attack a disabled officer who is also protected by Federal Law? Are you planning on attacking the Law as well? You need to be educated on discrimination and policy as your lacking serious knowledge of both.
This appears to be a warrant less attack and under ADA Law and city policy it's called discrimination!

21 September, 2006 12:43  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Officers never load or unload their weapons on the floor so this silly attack of guns having no ammo is nothing more than a ignorant and nasty attack. Your either having a personal problem with individual officers or your jealous or their work structure, maybe both. Please seek help immediately for peace of mind and your well being.

21 September, 2006 13:02  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sorry, mis-type that was of not or their work.

21 September, 2006 13:05  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I dont know what the rules and Regs at OEMC. Just because a Officer is not wearing a side arm does not mean they are out of uniform. There are many units around the city and even at 35th street where officers working inside wear the field uniform and do not always wear a sidearm.

I work in a unit and there a plenty of supervisors and P.O. who work here every day and dont walk around all day with a side arm.
This does not mean I am out of uniform.

Uniformed officers work in the lockups without them (Not out of uniform) The Detective areas have rules about where and when you cant have your side arm (not out of uniform). Officers go to some courts to testify with being armed, )not out of uniform).

So unless a general order or rule at OEMC states if you are a uniformed officer you must be armed at all times. Then they are not out of uniform. I have not seen any such rules or general orders stating that.

If a supervisor allows a officer to work on the floor for what ever reason, that officer is not out of uniform. It's that simple.


Get your facts strait dude!

21 September, 2006 13:56  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Correction. You are out of uniform no side arm/gun. The lock up and court issue is set up in policy, directives and legal issues all of which are written. A Commanding officer would have to allow no side arm and place the directive in print, how much time do you have? This topic is taught early in ones career. No babysitter, huh?

Clue us please, what is the point of a uniform then no side arm? Bottom line, being done or not, you would be out of uniform and what again is the real reason for no side arm? Even civilian attire requires a side arm as you speak. One is clearly out of uniform unless once again there is that written directive. Why would anyone, required to have a weapon and having the ability to carry, not carry with a uniform or non uniformed while on duty? Makes no practical or safe sense.

Especially now in 911 era; unless one is medically cleared which would force one off the job. Can't carry can't be POPO. If your running around in a uniform without a weapon not even so much as a snub which your allowed, you look ridiculous. What is a cops worth without a gun? Not a real cop, that's for sure. Where are these thoughts coming from anyway? One is governed by CPD orders as well as dual set at OEMC with CPD orders always applying first. Coppers sit all day in patrol and throughout the dept. with their weapons, which includes detectives and others, etc. What makes you or the few others discomfort any different or special? Nothing personal but consider going civilian and give up your gun, you can't have it both ways, plain insanity. Yes, out of uniform no side arm, shame on the boss's leading by non-example. Police already have a hard enough time with respect this just takes it a notch lower. Anyone want to buy a ticket to the mad house CPD/OEMC circus, it's cheap? On second thought you can have it for FREE!

21 September, 2006 15:31  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

WOW, I dont know how to respond to that. Are you stating fact or is your own opinion. I will repeat what I said the first time.

If you would take the time to read the order it does not say you can not take off your side are while you are in uniform, read it twice if you must you wont find it.

It does say that if you do take off your sidearm it must be properly secured in an approved location.

Does a PO sitting at a computer at the 911 center need to lug around or sit there with a firearm all day? NO!!! If I worked there and had to wear the uniform I would be armed.

More important is your fasination with this officers non existant weapon. Why are you so hell bent on the fact that this officer is not armed, or choses not to sit there with the gun all day? What business is it of yours if this officer is out of uniform.

My guess is you have been written up or warned about being out of uniform and your trying shift the focus to someone else.

Shit like this will kill you sooner then working on the zone.

I think you should spend less time worring about why this officer is not armed and spend more time getten those fucken jobs out.

You will live longer.

My last reponse on this subject. This guy is one that sits there and stares at your sidearm all day and tries to guess if its a S&W or a Colt. And then wants to ask you all kinds of stupid questions about your gun. Can you say, Personell Concern?

21 September, 2006 16:23  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have realized lately that there is really a huge growing anomosity between dispatchers and p.o.'s. They truelly can not relate to what we go through and all they care about is "clearing thier boards." It's bullshit. They just keep dumping and dumping on us. Who cares if we're stacked with 2 jobs already, give em 2 more.. as long as it clears my board. I can hear it in thier voices too, i think a lot of them are police haters. They really do not like us and could care less about what happens to us. But let them just do one day out there in a busy district and just maybe they'll realize what we have to go through. I say bring back the blue shirts up there!!! we need to be on the same page and same team, not playing against each other.

25 September, 2006 00:26  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

1226
Sorry you feel that way.
Majority of us like the police. Yes we have a few control freaks who don't understand your job nor will they ever. On the same token of us not understanding you. You have no idea the amount of pressure and stress put on us by manangement ( which is the police i.e. Hubberman) for unrealistic goals, and kiss a$$ bosses to kiss his majesty's not too attractive a$$. Upper management coming on the floor, standing over you, literally ordering you to give that yellow job out. Doesn't matter that the job is the usual dice game, or parker. You tell them you don't have a unit (within reason) they don't care. Look at the board. OH YOU HAVE THAT CAR( goes home in 4 mins) OR THAT CAR! ( the watch commander on doc?!?!!?)
You want me to dispatch a parker to the WC?!!? Stats stats stats thats all the city cares about, not you or me. They don't give a damn whether you go home or not, just cater to the anny caller. They have taken away all the power that a dispatcher has ( and was hired for) to allocate assignments and use thier resources logically.
If we were allowed to do our job
and the city hire 2000 more cops, there would be few beefs, less stress, and better "stats".
Guess that would elimate managements purpose of hawking over people.
Have a goodnight.

25 September, 2006 04:16  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

12:26, people have said that from the beginning. The beauty was the numerous times they would say it on the air only to realize they were lecturing a PO. Congratuflippinlations, you've just stereotyped civilians by the actions of the voice on the air, only to find out the voice is one of yours. Can we change that stereotype of your view to now mean that no POs should ever be allowed to dispatch again?

The fact is, some of YOU people are dogs. D.O.G.S. Not all. Not most. But some.

Some of you people are natural whiners. W.H.I.N.E.R.S. Not all. Not most. But some.

Some of you people hate riding around in a marked car picking up 9-1-1 calls like your bosses told you to do. Like your bosses told us to tell you to do. Not all. Not most. But some.

God forbid you take it up with YOUR bosses and YOUR chain of command. Noooo, its so much easier to buy into a stereotype that its all the fault of a civilian dispatcher who doesn't know what you do. Because before civilians everything was just beautiful. Everybody loved everybody. It was like a giant love-fest on the radios, and you used to sing love songs to R.H. on zone 1.

Has the grass ever been green on your side of the fence? Even just for a minute?

25 September, 2006 15:44  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

When a PPO is in the Police accademy, before they are sworn they are sent to the districs and areas for several ride alongs.

Why cant the dispathers near the end of their traning do the same thing. Just spend a day or two as a ride along on the street in a beat car. They could also give all the dispatchers a day away from the the floor and give them a ride along.

All they would have to do is sit in the car and run the radio for the night and observe the P.O.s in action.

They would see the P.O. surrounded by 10 citizens on a domestic trying to restore the peace with the drunken, ignorant and arrogant citizens, without getting his ass kicked, all while the zone is calling him to shove a fucken parker down his throat on the next block.

Oh YES, and then try to red line the P.O. because he did not answer his radio the first few times they called to get that parker off the board.

As a dispatcher that radio and computer is your job and most of the dispatchers I have delt with do a great job even with managment standing over them. and we understand that getting those jobs out is a big part of your job.

What you must understand is that the biggest part of your job is staying alive and safe and protecting the citizens of this city, and yes that includes the ones that dont want to be policed.

You also must understand that the radio I carry is just one of the tools I use to do my job. And a life line if needed.

For you that radio is 90% of your job for the P.O. the Radio is about 5% of my job, thats just the way it is.

I been on the CPD for many years maybe to long. One thing I have noticed, is that until about five years ago the radio and the COS (OEC) were there to assist the P.O. on the street to police this City.

Now The P.O. on the street is there to assist the dispacther to clear that fucken board. Thats why things are so fucked up. Thats the most inportant thing. Not officer saftey, not providing the sevice the citizens pay for and expect.

We know your on the other end of the district fighting with two jagoffs in the alley, but take this distubance, kids playing basket ball in the street, its got some time on it.

I think putting the Police and the Dispatchers together for a noight on the street would do wounders to help each other understand what realy goes on out here ever day. It might help foster a little more respect towards each other and each others respected jobs.

After all it cant hurt. Please dont ask me to come to the zone and do your job for a night, csuse I would realy fuck that all up. And they would have to have a delay so you could BEEP out a few words from time to time.

25 September, 2006 21:20  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

920
we did ride alongs, as calltakers and as dispatchers.
Here's the catch, they don't want the civie hurt so they don't let them do really good ride alongs
( like I had we real beat cars )
anymore. Alot of them are riding with Sgts, etc.

25 September, 2006 23:54  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

PLEASE DO NOT EVER AGAIN REFER TO HUBBERMAN AS A POLICE OFFICER

26 September, 2006 00:47  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Most dispatchers are assholes that want to be the police but couldn't be. You are a bunch of self righteous whiney little shits. I have been up on the ops floor to visit and I see your lazy ass civilians sitting at the console passed out sleeping while the partner is handling the zone with a foot chase or a shooting. There are a lot of police officers that do their job because they love it and some that don't. Do your civilian job and do not worry about our job. It's bad enough we have to listen to half of you morons on the air, or try and decifer the damn job because the call taker is a moron. Shut up and do your job or leave it. One asshole like you gives the other good dispatchers a bad name. Granted, I could count the good ones on 1 hand, and a few of them are sworn.

26 September, 2006 07:02  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Moron. Any dispatcher that wanted to be the police left and became the police. Several were made dicks and supervisors within 5 years of leaving the PCO II position.

Most dispatchers who survive more than two years are nice people who do a job you could never do. The best part of your statement was this:

>>Shut up and do your job or leave it.<<

Guess what. Its our job to talk. To tell handjobs like you where to go. All we need from you is "10-4" and a code. Other than that, if we want to hear your opinion on something, we'll tell you what to think first.

Now go get your shinebox.

26 September, 2006 09:26  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Call Takers? What's the deal?

27 September, 2006 23:20  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm all in agreement dispatchers should do ride-alongs (with a radio on their belt and mic on their shoulder). How about 7th dist on 3rd watch in July? Pay attention to what goes on and TRY to remember those things when you're handing out jobs 2 or 3 at a time. I'm retired PO and Disp. 17 years on street and when I went inside I know I worked just as hard as when I was cruisin in the car--maybe it was that I KNEW the jobs I sent POs to could dangerously be their last. I did almost 5 years at 1121 and yes, I was there when YOU started this job. I tried to teach and many of you eagerly learned and asked questions, but I never felt that you had ANY idea of what the street was REALLY like. I'm long gone now but miss it. I hope for the sake of all that the civilians (you) and the blue shirts(Street coppers) can identify with each others jobs. I remember when I started there I had no idea how stressful it can be. Best of Luck to you all.

06 October, 2006 00:44  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

From a labor stand point you are dead on right. Equal pay for equal work. I do not care if we are talking male or female officers or civilians. A job is a job and pay and benefits must be equal. We as officers and civilians working for a common goal must be fair to each other. Unfortunately there are other issues that confuse the goal of fairness we all seek.

Uniformed officers add a demention to the console that civilians may not have. As concerned as civilians are for our safety. and you are, you have never walked the walk.
Bad cops are everywhere and if supervisors want them around none of us can do anything about it. Many cops hide on this job and have friends in high places that put them in spots like 911. Cops who take summers off are dicipline issues, but the benefit is lawful if one is ill. No cop should be ashamed for using a health benefit.

The solution is to have no sworn personel working a job civilians work. That may never happen. But until that happens I'd like to see the civilians get the same pay and benefits. Absent a lawsuit that is not likely to even be considered by anyone.

11 November, 2006 00:10  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

WHAT ABOUT THE POLICE OFFICER THAT HAS 5 YEARS ON THE JOB 4 IN CALL BACK DAYS

24 November, 2006 13:12  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Let's get back to the topic. I would have to agree with the fact that the remaining PO's on the floor should be given the boot. They're mean, condescending, and generally have no clue as to what's going on. I personally have experienced incompetent PO's who screwd up the board, then leave the mess for us civilians to clean up. In the meantime, the field units yell at us because they assume we're the ones that messed things up and it SOUNDS like we don't know what we're doing when in fact we're busting our asses cleaning things and getting shit in order. It's not an issue of PO's not being deserving of the position, it's an issue of the ones that are there sucking ass at what they're doing. Take 3rd watch CITYWIDE7 for instance. SHE thinks she's a first fucking deputy or something, deciding what to and what not to make notifications on. Some of that shit is astonishing and would have had a civilian fired long ago. Riddle me this BATMAN, as fit and healthy as she seems to be what the hell is she still doing there? Did she know she was going to end up dispatching when she took the Police Officer test? That's what we're talking about when we speak of the spineless officers who would rather hide behind a console instead of doing the job they set out to do. If it's not a physical disability that has her there, then what is it, a mental one? Now would you really like a copper with a mental disability to be your lifeline on the zone? I don't think so. As far as comparing the old room to the OEMC, you just can't do that. The call volume alone is enough of an argument to shut anyone up. Put ANY of the "Old Building" copper/dispatchers at the OEMC and they'll quit before the week is up. And by the way, we all know of the countless tickets that would end up on the expressway or in the garbage that would never get dispatched. We however, must dispatch EVERYTHING that comes to the board so again, don't even go there. So I say this: GET THE COPPERS OUT, THEY'RE ONLY SLOWING THINGS UP!!

25 November, 2006 04:09  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Errrrrrrr.........SLOWING THING DOWN.......I MEANT.

25 November, 2006 04:12  

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