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Friday, December 22, 2006

Roll call appearance

We received a visit a couple of weeks ago from "a certain Deputy Superintendent." After the thorough lashing we took from Channel 5 News in November, in which this DS was interviewed & told the public that it's basically our fault for delays in police service, he visited our roll calls and apologized to us. Second City Cop has called out this blog and Let's Talk ChiTown 911 for answers about what the DS said in the roll calls.

We'll need help from our readers, because frankly, we don't recall most of it offhand. We were still appalled by the whole thing, and felt that the visits to roll calls were a matter of backpedalling. We're aware that the media cuts interviews and shows only the parts that are the most controversial in a lot of issues (bastards). But they surely didn't edit what could be seen and heard coming out of his mouth at the same time. And in the last part of the interview shown, it was mentioned that there are "other resources available," if only "dispatchers and supervisors would use them."

We do recall, however, that when the DS appeared in roll calls, blame was placed on the Patrol Division (not in the media, only behind closed doors, but that's a different story). And particularly on supervisors in the field.

We took it as a matter of catering to whomever was being talked to at a particular time, but we digress.

The DS asked us to report to him when units are:
Held down on station assignments out of roll call
Given lunch during a backlog per a sergeant
Held down on details and unavailable for radio assignment (this includes tac/gang)
Logging off of their PDTs before 15 minutes after the hour
Given disregards on assignments per sergeants in order to be on time for checkoff
Doing an assortment of other things that we don't recall

Our supervisors have been holding us to this. The DS actually calls and asks for verification that the Patrol Division is complying with it. Everything we mentioned that keeps us from dispatching jobs, including the station assignments and the details, etc...was responded to with [loosely] "Get approval from a field sergeant." We have been told to get sergeants' names and star numbers (if you notice on the radio, we have to ask for that even for backlog notification). We have also been told that, when a sergeant approves these things, we have to put the unit down on, say, "Lunch in 026 per 2610." We then are to notify our Watch Managers and print copies of these events, with names and stars included, for forwarding to the DS.

And we do recall a comment from the DS that we should put the responsibility on the sergeants, because "that's what they get paid to do."

For the first time in the history of the OEC/OEMC, we were asked by a sworn member to give suggestions on what changes to the dispatch policies (the General Order on "Communications" from which most of our SOPs are derived) need to be made. We have been asked to submit ideas about what works and what doesn't work, and [our opinion] what doesn't work anymore (did it ever?) due to changes over time, and factors such as, oh, the fact that annual call volume is at least 4 times what it was when OEC opened 11 years ago?

The DS is still calling on a daily basis, even to find out that each district faxed all of its lineups (tac/gang and marked units). And we understand that he is personally calling watch commanders to address issues.

We've said a mouthful (handful?), but we said it to say "Don't kill the messenger." Like it or not (we know people form habits and are averse to change, including ourselves). But for all of the comments and such on the radio, or the smart ass remarks like "You need to look at the clock before you dispatch this job to me"?

Tell it to your DS and our supervisors/watch managers. We're only doing what we're told to do. We don't have it in for you.

Okay, a small handful of the 230+ dispatchers do, but those truly are few.

Most of us aren't trying to shit on the cops in the field, and we're not adding to the "Us vs. Them" mentality by choice.

26 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Didn't this hit the media after that cetain DS actually caused the backlogs to be created in numerous districts? IIRC there was a certain gang that made "credible?" threats to kill an officer and a order was created that required 2 10-4 units and a Sgt to respond to all In-progress reports even if it created a backlog? Not to dispatch those calls until a Sgt became available?

22 December, 2006 08:49  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ok, so say a car is down on a job right out of roll call. They do a great and thorough job, and ask for lunch. The district then happens to be in a RAP. I'm supposed to then tell them no?

What a mess. Put everyone back in patrol except detectives and you won't have this problem period. If you're sworn and carry a gun, except for legit IOD, you should be on the street period

22 December, 2006 10:09  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Its mostly grey.

Say you have 15 beat cars on days and nobody asks for lunch before 14:30, day after day. Suddenly, change time comes around and everybody wants to go home early (early cars) or take lunch at the same time as the other cars are going home early (late cars).

Been there, seen it over and over and over. Used to ask the day crews starting at 11:30 if anybody was hungry, but nobody was. Why? Because why take lunch early when nothing is happening when you could take lunch late and avoid the crush.

One easy solution: Put out a directive that NOBODY, and I mean NOBODY, gets lunch during the 2 hours of shift changes for beat cars.

On the other side of that, if you as a dispatcher or supervisor KNOW that somebody has been getting pounded for hours, than you better believe they should get lunch when they finally get a chance.

The problem is, there are far more people gaming the system than there are getting hurt by it. There are far more people trying to grab lunch during shift changes, or waiting for the dispatcher to raise them for a priority before "requesting" lunch from the dispatcher, or blah blah blah.

So if anything, I don't have a whole lotta sympathy for patrol as a group. I will have sympathy for whoever is coming off of 4 hours of legit work that I gave them, and asks for lunch during a backlog.

22 December, 2006 13:01  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

how bout this, as if any of these suggestions make a difference, lol.
It would be nice or make sense if the department would have area focus groups and/or take advantage of the education the department paid for and have those of us who got a free educaction make some suggestions, or heck, you don't need an education to make suggestions. We have experienced beat cops, and dispatchers that have some great ideas. Reach out and get some of these ideas. But again this would make sense.

How bout,
No TVB's unless it's for a cash bond. I Bonds can be written on the street.

No going into the station to make a notification. Go to the nearest fire house or hospital and make the call.

All Cmdrs. are told you get two inside p.o.'s for your front office work, deal with it.

Neighborhood relations is cut by 50%

No News Affairs officers. The media can call operations command for info. This is a redundant task.
Pat Camden is more than qualified for this task and does a great job.

When in a rap, all units working in the area, TRU,SOS,TACT, Supv.'s get jobs,including paper jobs.

HQ's sworn including supv's is a 90 day detail. Don't tell me we have a RAP problem when we have countless jobs at HQ's that can be done by civilians, or are being duplicated.

Make better use of callback. Transfer all persons to take reports at the district desks. This way you free up healthy bodies in districts.



Actually, the First Deputy's website has the right idea, asking for suggestions, but there is no feedback or code given to reach out to the person giving the suggestion.

The Departmment used to have the luxury of having specialized units.
But, in order to cut down on the frequency of having RAPS and taking jobs, specialized units should all be temporarily disbanded and the manpower put back in patrolling the streets and taking jobs.

Why do we have to ride with CFD on every call?

22 December, 2006 14:05  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

2:05 - I'm not sure where you work, but I'm CFD in 004 (20/30 sector)and we're definitely not getting a beat car on every response.

WE don't make a request for you unless we force entry, DOA, or someone's being an EXTREME JAGOFF.

I've had a situation myself where we handled a man with a knife (suicidal & agitated - with knife IN his chest) before we left (A good 20 minutes)

22 December, 2006 15:37  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How about this?......bring our manpower up to the 13,500 we're actually supposed to have for starters, and all of the baby momma drama calls (the ones even you dispatchers think are BS-your tone of voice reflects) should be screened out by the call takers....that order needs to be improved upon, I know, it's basic liabilty being thrown back and forth......pennywise and pound foolish. Organizations never learn.

22 December, 2006 16:13  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

TO: 3:37

I'll be the first to come full throttle, lights and siren to come to your aid and in the past I have and will continue to do so. I have nothing but the utmost respect for you. You have a tough and dangerous job. What I'm speaking of is, no fault of yours, is when we get a call of an accidental injury where it's obviously an accidental injury,or meat burning on the stove,etc. and upon arrival the CFD waves us off. I recently went to a call of wires burning above some garages. I personally warned the home owners to keep an eye on the burning wires til Com Ed. arrived, this as your comrades drove away without notifying anyone or letting us know what was happening. In some instances, when we arrive, we discover that CFD has come and gone without giving us a disregard. Some situations we are definately needed, still others could be handled differently or screened in order to get the most out of both of our deparments.

We both have tough jobs. Merry Christmas

22 December, 2006 16:45  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Get CPD up to full capacity...period. Ditch th seat belt missions and the other nonsense. Have TRU and SOS do some paper, it's not hard. No one is blaming the dispatchers, we just need more help. Oh yeah, direct more of the BS calls to call back.

22 December, 2006 18:19  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

here's another idea/suggestion: I think that before any intelligent discussion can be had relative to CPD personnel, particularly personnel shortages....1) complete a complete personnel audit of the entire CPD, which includes EXACTLY where each and every person actually (not detailed) works, and, what they do there (i.e., inside, outside, etc.); have the results verified by an outside firm, then publish the results; 2) conduct a thorough and exhaustive computerized analysis of calls for service, by geographic boundary, type, seriousness, category (i.e., 1's, 2's, etc.); then compare the call volume with available field personnel. In addition, analyze the time it takes to handle the calls vs. the aforementioned factors (a simplistic example: a shoplifitng call may take an officer three hours, with case and arrest report preparation, property inventory, telephonic contact with the asa's for possible felony upgrading, etc.). The bottom line re: dispatchers....there is no humanly way possible to dispatch or assign calls to units that either do not exist or are not otherwise available; and that is a statement that should be posted prominently, in the courtroom of the lawsuit of a person who is victimized as the result of the CPD'S negligence in assigning personnel....

22 December, 2006 19:58  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I Think that he is taking a tested and tried system and fucking it up. The dispatchers know who is available and how long a typical paper job takes. Its repetition. Some come clear right away, and some don't. who cares who goes home early or whatever. We as beat cars can look at pending jobs, we know whats coming.

22 December, 2006 20:21  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

how come everyone but the inside realize that the simple solution is TOO MANY INSIDE PEOPLE ... WAY TOO MANY....

22 December, 2006 22:25  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

0205
You obviously have never stepped foot in a busy district and saw what the desk crew has to deal with. 2 people is not nearly enough
for a high volume district. You assume you know everything the police are doing, but you don't and it's quite obvious.
Why do you care when some officer wants to hook up lunch and time on the end??? We do it all the time! It only makes sense.
There is already an order in place as to when lunches can be given 2.0 hrs on front and 1.5hrs on end, and to top it off, all units do have assigned lunch times. So if you were having a problem, give them their assigned lunch minutes.
I'm confused with your suggestion
"NOBODY" gets lunch and next paragraph you make an exception, well that's fine and dandy if you never left your seat, but as a relief dispatcher, how do I know Joe Copper has been working nonstop for 4 hrs if I just sat down, without during a thorough unit history.
Here's a thought, if you have a unit that goes to lunch when you give them a job, well guess what they can only do that to you once a day and it's only for 30 mins
so who cares? 30 minutes for lunch ain't jack. Stop blaming the coppers for a problem the mayor and his posse have created. MANPOWER SHORTAGE!! WE NEED THOUSANDS OF OFFICERS HIRED. DROP THE COLLEGE REQUIREMENT AND GIVE SOMEONE WHO NEEDS A JOB A JOB.
Enough is enough, not your fault you're in backlog aka rap, you have no one to give the jobs too. Not the coppers fault either so give them their 30 minutes. Don't get caught up in the oec/cpd blame game. Our mgt is ran by the same dirty boss.

23 December, 2006 05:25  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So because its legit occasionally, the abuse of the "just about to ask for lunch" and the hiding during change time (when units are short) should be tolerated carte blanche? Sorry, but no. Nooooo.

What should happen is the dispatcher and/or a supervisor should be given discretion for a very occasional exception, and then a log should be kept of the exceptions.

But your post makes no sense. Only 30 minutes for lunch? Try, only 30 minutes once we put a unit down. Its amazing how many units are "just sitting down" when they are called. Except its not amazing. Are you amazed? I'm not. 95% of them are not "just sitting down", and that 30 minute rule you throw out (with violins playing in the background) is pretty much meaningless.

No matter. You quote the rules about lunches, and then ask why anyone would care about such a rule? Why do you care? I'm not saying units should be forced into lunch during an assigned time. In many or most cases that would be impossible.

But to ban lunches from, say, 1430 to 1630 and from 2230 to 0030? There are some very, very obvious reasons to do so.

You want solutions? You gotta recognize the problems first. And one of the biggest problems is the logjam that occurs during change time, and the lunch abuses just feeds it.

23 December, 2006 08:20  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So because its legit occasionally, the abuse of the "just about to ask for lunch" and the hiding during change time (when units are short) should be tolerated carte blanche? Sorry, but no. Nooooo
____________________________________ Yes, for the sake of the one unit who is legit.
If there is a dozen men arrested
and one guilty in the bunch, I suppose you would hang them all.

------------------------------------
But your post makes no sense. Only 30 minutes for lunch? Try, only 30 minutes once we put a unit down. Its amazing how many units are "just sitting down" when they are called. Except its not
____________________________________
Not my place to assume the units are lying over their 30 min lunch slot. I am not on the field with them, their sgts, lts and inspectors are. I am not getting paid to be their confessor, if a unit wants to lie to me over lunch times that falls on them. I see the times on my board, where they are at and if they are clear or not. I work by facts not assumptions.
Let me add any apologies to the working officers who may be reading this blog. We don't all assume you are lying.

23 December, 2006 11:53  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Logjam wasn't as bad when we had a full compliment of rapids working, but hey ho that takes MANPOWER!
Don't forget, criminals know our schedules also.
There was a time before Hubbie that we could "hold" jobs during change time and keep our units up for Priority life threatening calls for service, not "get the yellow off the board how" mentality.

23 December, 2006 11:59  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

how = now

23 December, 2006 11:59  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Puhleeze. Did you miss the part in training where you were told that you approve or deny lunches at your discretion?

It may not be your job to assume people are lying to you every 5 minutes, but it is your job to do your job. Somehow you are under the impression that your it is more important in your job responsibilities to let people take lunch whenever they want than it is to make sure people are dispatched to jobs? You realized that you took a job as a "dispatcher" right?

The job for helping get people lunch with no other concerns is over at CPS headquarters. I heard the fries guy just quit, so you might be in luck if you get your application in quickly.

With your enthusiasm you'll go places in the lunch world. Never lose that thinking that equates denying lunch at a particular moment to hanging. You'll be on the grill in no time.

23 December, 2006 12:03  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To 12:03 PM. Hitler is dead you don't work for him anymore. Sometimes you have to take into consideration the fact that as a dispatcher we always get lunch and if we don't you get paid overtime as the police do not. As was said earlier if a specific car has been busting his/her ass all night writing paper, coding out jobs, assisting other units then what is wrong with giving that car lunch? Nothing you just like the power of being a dispatcher because you got bullied in grammer school and are too stupid to pass the police test. Oh and before you come back with some stupid wise ass comment I've been dispatching far longer than you and on busy zones 6 8 10 12 midnights and afternoons so go fuck yourself.

23 December, 2006 20:01  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As I've mentioned before in this blog. The lunch situation is rediculous. I believe Dispatchers should NOT be allowed to deny lunches. How about that??? A new general order that states: "Dispatchers are NOT to deny lunches and the sole responsibility to do so will fall on the sector sgt's." Now wouldn't THAT one fix many of our problems? If they really want sgt's to take more responsibility of their units, add THAT ONE to the books. Who in their right mind gave us that authority to begin with? What stupid fucking genious put that one into the books? I know if I don't eat, I start feeling light-headed and might not be able to do my job as effectively as I'd like to. How the hell do you think THEY (officers) feel?

23 December, 2006 22:40  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

12:03
Part of being a dispatcher is maintaining my resources. I do not go into panic mode because I have jobs pending,dispatch, dispatch, dispatch, part of my job is to respond to request from the field, one being lunch request. I do not dispatch to slaves. I dispatch to men and women going to work for a living like myself. We have unions and brotherhoods founded to protect our rights to a lunch. Breaks are for stress relief and refueling oneself. You don't want to be denied lunch because there is a snow storm on the way here just like they don't want to be denied lunch because the gas station guy is holding someone for stealing a twinkie.

24 December, 2006 01:54  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Agree somewhat with 1040. The police department generated the rules for lunch, and then asks dispatchers to enforce them. If the police department wants to enforce the rules, they should do it themselves.

And you people with the poor starving officers song and dance really need to get a grip.

24 December, 2006 08:49  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

TO 4:45 PM

Thanks for having our back....

The respect goes both ways.

Here's MY point of view from under the red lights....

"In some instances, when we arrive, we discover that CFD has come and gone without giving us a disregard."

We have no place on our PDT that indicates if you're responding or not. Most of the time the only way we find out if CPD is coming is 1)You show up or 2) we ask the alarm office.

As for someone not notifying you of what was happening with the wires and driving away...I wasn't there so I can't justify whatever happened.

"Some situations we are definately needed, still others could be handled differently or screened in order to get the most out of both of our deparments."

I'm in total agreement...

Just a few pointers from our end....

1) PLEASE do not block the street ESPECIALLY RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE FIRE BUILDING...

For us to do what we need to do, we pull PAST the fire building with the ENGINE (the hose comes off the back)and let the TRUCK park in front of the ADDRESS to put the ladder to the roof.

2) PLEASE DON'T PARK ON A HYDRANT....Yep...seen it myself...

3) WRITE EVERY IDIOT THAT DRIVES OVER THE FIRE HOSE OR ATTEMPTS TO GO AROUND ANY FIRE APPARATUS

Take the time to stop in at the firehouse on your beat, have a cup of coffee & find out how we operate and let us know how you do, too.

STAY SAFE.

3:37

25 December, 2006 14:39  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Merry Christmas wishing all the CPD, OEC, CFD and all the other City workers a wonderful Merry Christmas and a blessed New Year.

25 December, 2006 21:01  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The lunches are something that the street supervisors (sgt's) need to keep track of, no doubt about it.
Cars do have assigned lunch times. Share these with the dispatchers. Then dispatacher can say '2614' your
lunch is coming up, where would you like to eat? But of course it is hard for the sergeants to keep track of since we should have 5 street sergeants everyday and can usually put up only 2......

27 December, 2006 16:39  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

and just to be repetitive, the one time that lunches should be monitored most closely is during change time for beat cars (in many/most districts the change time for late beat cars corresponds to change time for 1/2 of the rapids too).

Regardless of who has the responsibility, it is in the interest of both the CPD and the OEMC, as well as the citizenry, to avoid having any units being unavailable for any reason during change time.

And its amazing how some districts and field supervisors understand this and others do not. No brainer.

But why not just put it on paper and then call it up on the system every once in awhile to ask an occasional unit or supervisor to justify a particular lunch time? As a really good example, if a unit was up and clear between 2000 and 2245 (rare, of course), then gets paged for lunch at 2245 and gives the "we were just gonna ask" line, I'd be in favor of setting an example of them, their sergeant, their lieutenant and their watch commander.

Thats an extreme example (unit being available for 2.75 hours given the shortage of POs in the field), but whatever. It is an organizational and public safety issue.

28 December, 2006 17:17  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Assigned lunch times? Where is that happening at?

04 January, 2007 03:26  

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